Constructed exclusively for your Rancilio Silvia V3 or a Rancilio Commercial Machine, this 58mm Bottomless Portafilter features the traditional ergonomic Rancilio portafilter handle with a logo on its end and a design that allows you to watch as you extract velvety smooth shots. It includes a triple filter basket with the Rancilio Silvia Bottomless Portafilter. Single and double Rancilio portafilter baskets are sold separately.
Fit - This Bottomless Portafilter fits all Rancilio machines, both home and commercial.
Triple Filter Basket - A triple filter basket is included with this portafilter.
Rancilio Machines Only - This portafilter is only guaranteed to work with Rancilio machines.
How Does it Compare?
This Bottomless Portafilter is snug and is made only for Rancilio machines versus generic models.
Will this work on the newest Silvia, sometimes referred to as the v4?
A shopper on Oct 1, 2015
Best Answer:Yes, Rancilio has the same fit to all of their portafilters. Being as this is a bottomless portafilter, you'll want to make sure that you have your grind dialed in to produce the right timing with your shot, and since the espresso isn't controlled into spouts, you will likely see a much messier pour with channeling producing a fine mist or spurtiness. This portafilter will fit all versions of Rancilio machines though, from the Silvia V1 to their newest version, and even including their commercial machines like the Epoca and Classe series!
Best Answer:A bottomless filter gives you an enormous advantage in viewing the progress of your espresso extraction. It allows to you see if you have problems with:
- microchanneling (thin spray of liquid) - tamping (spotted as uneven emergence of liquid from the basket bottom) - extraction color - grind - dose
With the original portafilter, the closed design hides a lot of these problems that prevent you from achieving a true "god shot" of espresso. Everyone from beginners to experts learn a great deal from bottomless portafilters just merely by being able to see the extraction from the bottom of the basket. To add to that, some of the best espresso bars I've been to all use bottomless portafilters on each of the group heads rather than the single and double spout portafilters.
Yes, the original double and single basket fits into this portafilter, and this is the preferred portafilter to buy versus a generic 58mm bottomless portafilter. The seal is much better because the portafilter was ground from an original Rancilio Silvia portafilter handle.
Yes your double basket will fit the Rancilio bottomless portafilter. I use the bottomless basket on my Rancilio Silvia V3 and prefer it over the two spout portafilter that came with the machine for these reasons: 1. You can see the shot coming out of the basket and make adjustments on the next shot. 2. With no bottom, there is significantly less mass to rob heat from your shot. So there is less pre-heat time required and your shot will be hotter. 3. The bottomless filter is lighter and easier to handle. 4. The shot will form into a single stream suitable for a small shot glass.
The bottomless portafilter is great if you want to get a better picture of the espresso as it comes out. It seems most people use this to help perfect their tamp -- for example, if the espresso pours faster from one side, then your tamp is uneven. If you search for bottomless portafilter you can find some good tutorial on how to diagnose your coffee with them.
Yes, you can use your existing double basket in the new filter. The basket will not be flush with the bottom of the portafilter, but it doesn't cause any problems.
Yes, the blind, single, double, and triple all snap right in. All are nice and tight. The bottomless triple in particular is my favorite, and seems much more forgiving to variances in grind/tamp/beans and produces a beautiful crema. I tend to make one cup at time so positioning is far easier for a small 2oz glass than in the two spout version. The bottomless is particularly valuable as a tool to improve one's tamp. You can instantly see if your tamp is uneven by watching where it gathers.
I love my bottomless filter as it has helped me see how well I load and tamp my basket. It shows you if you have some leaks in the puck. But for me it also gives a better cremma and nicer look to the pull. It is a bit messier in that you will get some small spouts of coffee escaping but i find the trade off well worth it. I don't know which basket you are using but it works perfectly with my La Marzocco double basket.
Advantage is to see how your extraction is going - lets you know if it is running through the coffee evenly and not creating fishers in your puck. It is supposed to help you get your pack and grind dialed in. I found it useful but it did make a little spatter mess as the coffee is not directed down a spout it is just freely flows from the entire bottom. Yes your current double filter should fit. Hope that helps!
\It helps you control your tamp better (can see if the water is channeling). Because of that, it'll ultimately teach you how to make better shots because you can actually see what is going on. You also get more cup clearance.
Yes, your existing double basket will fit in the new filter. It also comes with a triple basket. The triple won't fit in your existing portafilter, just the bottomless.
The bottomless portafilter produces an expresso with more cream, but only if you use it with a double or triple filter. I use this portafilter if I want to drink a double or triple expresso You can see it working in youtube Of course you can use it with any basket for rancilio but I dont like how it work with the single filter
I use it to make a triple-shot espresso if I need an extra-large latte-to-go... The basket is deeper than the standard basket, but the double filter also fits this Portafilter. It also gets you extra clearance if you want to pull a shot into a regular sized (taller) mug which would normally not fit under the regular filter.
The advantage is that it allows one to gauge the evenness of ones tamp and distribution by how evenly the extraction begins and progresses. Also, there are no hidden surfaces to harbor oils and gunk and is therefore easier to keep clean. All three baskets will fit the bottomless portafilter.
I only use the bottomless portafilter since buying it. It seems to make a (much) richer, creamier espresso / latte. Also, you cannot swap out the basket from other portafilters, at least not the other Rancillio ones that I have. I wish I had two of these. You won't be disappointed!
The bottomless filters are helpful to diagnose various shot pulling technique issues. It also supports a 3-shot basket, which is a plus - but the standard 2-shot basket will fit just fine. It also just looks cool to see the liquid gold flow from the grounds into your shot glass...
You don't need one. They assist in helping people pull shots. You will be able to see if your shot is channeling. Your basket should fit in this porta filter. They also look a lot cooler when you pull a shot. Check out some YouTube videos.
With a bottomless portafilter, you can see if you tamped the grinds correctly. Meaning, if the espresso doesn't come out in a single stream from the center of the basket, you did it wrong. Plus, more of the crema survives.
A bottomless portafilter shows the extraction and can indicate if there is channeling occurring. This helps in adjusting the grind and tamp. Also, the double basket fits just fine in the bottomless portafilter.
Is this chrome-plated brass or stainless? If not, is there a stainless portafilter that one can purchase for a Silvia machine? I know that Marzocco makes some beautiful stainless portafilters but they are not compatible with the Silvia line. Also, as an aside, would the Marzocco Strada baskets be compatible with this portafilter? I hear that they're the best. Thanks in advance!
Best Answer:Yes, I believe it is stainless but not 100% certain. This portafilter has enabled me to kick up my shots to a new level. I am happy i purchased it. The basket i dont like and so i bought a 20 gram ridged precision filter basket from VST inc. This is an excellent basket and my sylvia makes the best espresso now. The 58mm tamper didnt fit perfect so i overload the badket with 22.1 grams of coffee. I cant speak highly enough about how good the shots are. Of course, I also roast my own beans and for espresso it is usually a blend of 3 types, maybe brazil, ethiopia and guatemala depending on season. My roaster is a small hand made machine i built that roasts about a 1/3 lb at a time to match our rate of consumption. Highly recommend the sylvia bottomless portafilter.
The portafilter body appears to be chrome plated and not stainless; but looks like the day I bought it. The basket I use is stainless, which I highly recommend, but I don't believe chrome plated, especially over brass, will be an issue on the portafilter body - even long term. Good luck!
The basket for this bottomless portafilter is stainless steel. I bought it for my Audrey but now use it on my new Silvia (with Auber PID installed). It performs great and it is the only portafilter I use now.
It says Version 3 "Style" but that implies that it will work, but may have a different look?
A shopper on Nov 11, 2012
Best Answer:You are getting exactly what you see in that picture: it's an exact portafilter off of the V3 Rancilio Silvia Portafilter, just bottomless. I've used this before on the Rancilio Silvia V3 too:
I do not know for sure. The information I read on another seller website indicates that the main differences between v 2 and v 3 are steam wand and electrical.
You should just call the people at Seattle Coffee Gear. They were more than happy to help me on the telephone before my purchase - I was actually surprised; they clearly have made the connection between selling and customer satisfaction.
In any event, the naked portafilter is the best. It makes the creamiest espresso that I have ever seen.
I have been using this for a month and find that the shot always starts at one side of the basket. Never does it start at the center or other side. I have tried packing that side with more coffee, pressing harder to the other side and still can’t get it to pull from the center or evenly around the basket. I have used my double basket with no problems. Looking at the perforated holes, I noticed they are unevenly off two one side. Have you had any problems with baskets causing this?
A shopper on Jul 1, 2016
Best Answer:I'd say it's possible that channeling or an uneven tamp could cause the issue, as well as a machine or portafilter that doesn't sit level being a possibility. However I haven't had the same issue with mine, only 2-3 of the holes near the edge producing a mist at times with the triple basket. It seems like it might be an issue with the part if more than a couple individual holes are blocking the flow, however the technique for a bottomless portafilter becomes much more important compared to the standard. I have gotten mine to work nicely with the bottomless portafilter pulling evenly but it can be inconsistent subject to my technique.
I'd say maybe try propping one end of the machine slightly to encourage a flatter pull, and see if switching the basket out for the stock double one helps. If it works when propped then the handle is resting crooked, if the stock basket helps it's probably an issue with the holes being uneven.
I think the portafilter could possibly be sitting slightly at an angle compared to the stock one, the holes in the basket being possibly defective is another issue. If you hold it up to a light after a cleaning you should see if the holes are even or if it's the portafilter.
It might not be that the coffee is coming from one side consistently but that your machine or the basket is not level. Even if it was level I wouldn't worry about it. The coffee probably still tastes good ??. If it were the perforations being uneven you could check that by rotating the basket and seeing if the pour flips sides.
Best Answer:You should be using 7g of espresso per shot (14g for a double, 21g for a triple...). your brew time should be targeted for 25s +/-5s, regardless of the shot size you are going for. shorter or longer brew times causes changes in flavor that you do not want. A single shot is approximately 1oz. I have used this bottomless portafilter with both the double and triple basket, but always to pull doubles. On my Duetto I haven't seen much difference in the output quality or speed of the brew. If you haven't already done so, you should invest is a high quality burr grinder and a calibrated tamper. Those two items will allow much better control of the variables and vastly improve your ability to pull consistent, high quality shots (and you will see the difference coming out of the bottomless portafiler)
Best Answer:This portafilter is designed specifically for Rancilio machines, and features Rancilio branding and design. while the other portafilter may fit a Rancilio machine like a Silvia, this portafilter may not fit other machines.
Best Answer:Well one of the nice things about the bottomless portafilter is that they can support a triple shot basket, that's why they are often included. Of course, you can certainly use a double basket in your bottomless portafilter.
I'm curious as to the quality of the shot in regards to this specific portafilter. I have a V1 Silvia, and from what I see there are many 58mm portafilters that are bottomless. Other than the handle being the same, is there any difference in quality of the shot using this over say a Rocket bottomless portafilter on the Silvia V1? thanks!
Bottomless Portafilter for Rancilio Silvia - V3 Style
Rocket Espresso 58mm Bottomless Portafilter
Best Answer:The important thing will be in the fit. Portafilters spend to be very brand-specific, and the tabs on the sides of the portafilter can not only be a different height and length, but also orientation, and may not create as nice of a seal. We have definitely found that the Rancilio branded bottomless portafilter creates a better seal with the Silvia, so it can push water through the coffee rather than leaking around the edges of the portafilter, degrading the quality of the shot. Hope this helps!
Best Answer:The bottomless portafilter includes a triple basket in it, which will be deep enough to dose enough grounds into it for a triple shot. However, the baskets are interchangeable in the Rancilio line, so you can take out the triple basket and put in your single or double filter basket instead if you want to do just single or doulbe shots. Hope this helps!
Best Answer:I am not sure what HSD refers to on your Silvia, however the Bottomless Portafilter for the Silvia fits versions 1, 2, and 3. The V3 Style on this listing simply specifies that the handle matches the V3 handle of the Silvia portafilter.
SCG sells 57mm tampers. What size is recommended for the Silvia with a 58mm portafilter?
A shopper on Jan 21, 2014
Best Answer:If you have a 58mm portafilter, you want to purchase a 58mm tamper. The tamper size is actually manufactured a bit smaller than the actual basket size to fit inside, so you still need the corresponding size. Hope this clarifies!
Best Answer:I am not sure what trouble you may have read about the compatibility of a 58mm tamper with a Silvia portafilter, however it is the size we have found to work perfectly well with both bottomless and standard portafilters.
Caring for the Bottomless Portafilter for Rancilio Silvia
Empty and rinse portafilter under warm water after every use.
Problem SolverReview by KapnKrunch
Extremely well made, high-quality materials, and esthetically beautiful. Since the basket is so deep (triple shot) it allows more headspace, and you can fill the basket for a double-shot, and the problem with grounds stuck to the diffusion screen is eliminated. It's also quite easy to clean.
The shots produced are beautifully creamy and delicious. Wonderful accessory. (Posted on 7/5/2016)
Takes Home Espresso To Barista LevelReview by WesN
Easily the best accessory for the Silvia ever. Has elevated my pulls (even with Starbucks decaf - my wife cannot tolerate caffeine) to the next level and indeed as good as lots of shots I've had at reputable espresso stands. Consistently way more crema and very nicely balanced flavor and the triple shot basket allows ristretto like concentration in double shot sized pulls. (Posted on 12/31/2014)
ExcellantReview by Ramaia
I'm getting really good shots and it is fun to watch the process come through the bottomless filter. The best thing I notice is more creama in the cup and a richer brown look. I've added one new thing in that I'm lifting the frothing picture higher after I start pouring in the milk the lowering it as I saw in a video. (Posted on 6/24/2014)
helped me finally master my shotsReview by Sharon
I'd figured out temperature surfing and getting the right grind and tamp pressure, but as silly as it might sound - I struggled to get the grinds level in the standard portafilter which made it hard to lock the portafilter in the machine and/or inconsistent shot. The flat bottom on this portafilter was exactly what I needed. It's so satisfying and beautiful to watch that steady single stream flow through and the results are delicious every time!
Even if your challenge is different, or especially if you're not sure what you're doing wrong, this is a great educational tool. Just change one variable at a time and monitor the results. Though it can be messy until you get it right - have a sponge close at hand!
The price did give me pause before I made the purchase, but the quality is excellent and the results well worth it. (Posted on 6/18/2014)
next levelReview by dpc+
I've pulled shots with my Rancilio Silvia for years and had all the particulars down pat. This bottomless portafilter takes things to the next level. It's messy when you don't get things right. It shows you where you've missed the mark. But what I didn't realize is that, when you do get it right, it produces a better shot than without. Add to that the bonus of a true triple pull, and you get heaven on earth plus one more ounce. (Posted on 3/21/2014)
GREAT ( ! ) Review by Ed
I absolutely love the two of them. Pulling much better, and most consistent shots with them. I would recommend them to everyone. (Posted on 11/19/2013)
great for those who really know how to make espressoReview by Nick is my nick name
and, of course, I don't know all there is to know.
But I do know that if the grounds are too fine or too coarse and if they aren't packed tightly enough (or too tightly) the result won't be quite adequate.
A bottomless filter lets you see almost immediately if you have ground and packed the coffee adequately.
Messy? Sure, but put the cup up under the filter basket and it will not squirt all over the place. If it continues to do that then you might think bout changing SOMETHING about your process and procedure, eh?
My first shot in the morning is ALWAYS "messy" but the rest are perfect (using a Silvia). (Posted on 11/17/2013)
Awesome ProductReview by Apple223
This portafilter is made so nicely and will last for years and years. It's great for seeing what's going on with your shots. (Posted on 11/7/2013)
Great for pull testing, although messyReview by Kayla
I purchased this in order to get a better look at the crema in my pulls. The visibility is great and my shots are nicer than ever. The only drawback is the tendency to splatter even with a proper pull. The quality is great - this is a sturdy product. If the price went down a bit, this product would have received a perfect rating all around. (Posted on 11/3/2013)
Messier and no better than the original portafilterReview by Cabin
I've had my Silvia for ten years. Making a cup of decent crema is -- or was -- automatic at this point. The handle on my stock portafilter finally broke, so given all the frothing about bottomless versions I thought I'd try this.
It was a mistake. Same quality coffee, no more crema, much more mess, scalded fingers, and back to fiddling with grind and tamp trying to find consistency. I'm still at it because I'm stubborn and I don't want to admit that I'm not among the espresso elite, but I'll probably end up having to spend another $60 to end the masochism and get back to enjoying my mornings.
It did fit the old machine fine, and seems to be well made, a little stronger than the original. I still don't like it.
(Posted on 11/2/2013)
What are you waiting for?Review by SHSAM
Such an improvement over the regular portafilter. The crema never stops. Makes lattes taste more intensely. Love it. (Posted on 9/3/2013)
Makes great espresso, but splatters all overReview by AG
This is an excellent product, I recommend it. The crema is even creamier and nicer looking than regular portafilter because there is no obstruction, but this portafilter is quite messy, splatters all over. (Posted on 4/2/2013)
This is the one you really want!Review by BadRock
I searched the web over and over looking for a bottomless portafilter for my Silvia, ended up buying this one and I am so happy I did. It's an actual Rancilio part not a generic like so many others. Works wonderful, looks great. Super happy with this purchase. (Posted on 12/4/2012)
Very HelpfullReview by Adreena
I've always wanted to get a bottomless portafilter so when I saw SCG was selling the Rancilio V3 Style I had to get it. This is one of the better purchases I have made regarding my journey for making awesome espresso. I love being able to see what I am doing right and wrong on my espresso extraction. Not to mention the price for this portafilter was the cheapest I could find online. Delivery was quick and as always SCG has made me a very happy customer. (Posted on 11/19/2012)
Great productReview by Sipper
Well made portafilter. Both the single and double shot baskets that came with the Silvia fit this portafilter. The triple shot basket that comes with this portafilter will be great when pulling shots for a crowd. Now I can see the squirters that are hidden when using a portafilter with spouts. I've made adjustments to my tamping and have reduced the squirters significantly resulting in a more consistent shot. It's nice to see what's going on down there! (Posted on 9/25/2012)
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