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Product Description

Contemporary yet classic, the Rocket Cellini Premium Plus with PID has incorporated all the high-end features of the previous V2 model, as well as cleverly including an integrated PID for additional temperature control. Adding precision without obscuring the Cellini’s beauty, the new PID controller is artfully constructed inside the Cellini’s drip tray. Prior to brewing, simply program the PID to your desired brew temperature, reattach the drip tray and be swept away to brewing bliss.

Features & Functionality of the Rocket Espresso Cellini Premium Plus with PID

  • Hard-Working Boiler: The insulated 1.8 liter copper boiler with two lead free end plates work to maintain thermal retention and brew your espresso at the ideal temperature every time.
  • Durable Case: The highly durable case is constructed of AISI 304 stainless steel.
  • E-61 Brew Head: Brew your favorite espresso blend on this highly sought-after brew head.
  • Pre-Infusion: Both the Rocket Cellini & Giotto Premium Plus with PID boast a dual pre-infusion system that provides a smooth espresso extraction, as well as exceptional body and crema.
  • Cup Rack: Removable cup rack is included and can be easily installed in the comfort of your own home.
  • Removable Water Reservoir: Refill the 98-ounce water tank by removing it, or simply lift the lid and refill from a pitcher.
  • Warning Light: A handy light located at the bottom left corner of the machine will let you know when the water level is low and when the machine is ready to brew.
  • PID: The masterfully hidden PID provides additional temperature control while not overshadowing the Cellini’s beauty.
  • Dual Barometers: Dual pressure gauges at the front of the machine allow you to monitor the brew and steam pressure while creating your perfect cup.
Pros
  • Anti-bake Wand - The cool-touch technology and internal insulation makes cleaning the steam wand a cinch!
  • Modern Marvel - The high grade stainless steel and sleek design may have your guests thinking you’re collecting art in your kitchen.
  • Powerful Steaming - Create excellent milk texture that any barista would be proud to call their own.
Cons
  • Heated Wand - While the anti-burn steam wand technology is ideal for cleaning leftover milk after frothing, it does not guarantee the wand will be cool to the touch. Try to avoid skin contact immediately after use.
  • Muscle Required - The water reservoir is removable, but definitely requires effort to completely detach from the machine.
  • Degree Measurement - We love the new PID, but Westerner’s may find measuring the degrees in celsius a bit confusing. Luckily, a handy temperature conversion chart is included for those partial to fahrenheit.
How Does it Compare? The Cellini Premium Plus with PID operates and functions exactly like its V2 predecessor, but with an integrated PID for temperature control.
Tips and Tricks A few helpful hints about the PID display:
  • When the PID display indicates "off," the heating element is also off and will not heat in this mode.
  • A visible dot will display at the bottom right corner of the PID controller when the heating element is being powered.

Additional Information

Manufacturer Rocket Espresso
Width With Cup Rail: 12.0 inches | Without Cup Rail: 12.0 inches
Depth With Cup Rail: 17.0 inches | Without Cup Rail: 17.0 inches
Height With Cup Rail: 16.5 inches | Without Cup Rail: 15.0 inches
Product Weight (lbs.) 50.0000
Watts 1350W
Case Material Stainless Steel
Boiler Material Brass/Copper
Cup Clearance 3.5 inches
Boiler Volume 1.8 liter
Reservoir Size 98 ounces
Solenoid Valve Yes
Cup Warmer Yes
Available Portafilters Non-Pressurized
Warm Up: Brew Time 11 minutes
Warm Up: Steam Time 11 minutes
Boiler Design Heat Exchanger
Water Sources Reservoir/Internal Tank
Auto Shut Off No
Auto On No
Pre-Infusion/Aroma Yes
Material Stainless Steel

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I just got this machine today and cannot say hi excited I have been to the idea of it. I tried making espresso with already ground coffee, but it did not come out good and no cream at all and I am suspecting that the grind might have something to do with it. What do you think? What grinder, without breaking the wallet (already emptied it buying the machine), would you recommend?
I also tried frothing milk, but this also ams out without any bubbles. I have already watched the videos you have on milk frothing, but again, any further advice would be helpful
Last but not least, the PID? It was already set for 121 Celsius (I am from Europe, so this is actually the one easy thing) and reading the manual it would appear to be a good tempt for the boiler. Any further thoughts into how the temperature can impact the espresso quality (I love the velvety creamy one) or the milk frothing?

Sorry for the too many questions, it's just that the machine is quite new and there aren't many reviews and or tips about it yet.
Thanks, Manjola
Manjola U on May 14, 2014
Best Answer: Yes, the Rocket machines like this Cellini will absolutely require a good quality grinder for best results and will not perform well using preground coffee. At minimum, I would say to consider the Baratza Virtuoso grinder, or move up to something like the Rancilio Rocky. For milk frothing, the biggest tip is just to practice. For this machine, I would recommend using a 20 oz frothing pitcher filled about halfway full. The PID is advantageous because you are able to play around with different temperatures for best results depending on the coffee you are using. I would wait until you get a good quality grinder and get the grind dialed in (so for a double shot, look for 2 ounces of liquid to be extracted in 20-30 seconds) to adjust the temperature, though, as the coffee won't taste very good until the grind is dialed in. Keep practicing!
Reply · Report · Teri KStaff on May 16, 2014
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I have a Gaggia Classic and one of the reasons I chose it is because of all the videos and reviews claiming that it produced coffee house quality espresso. For the money, I think that it does make good espresso but nothing like what I would get at my favorite coffee shops. How close does the Rocket Giotto/Cellini get to true coffee house espresso flavors?
A shopper on Mar 17, 2016
Best Answer: I have worked with my Rocket for a long time and the machine is capable of consistent coffee house high quality espresso. From a machine standpoint, the temperature and pressure is maintained during the pour with accuracy. However, to achieve the same quality as your favorite coffee shop you do need to practice and refine your skills around the whole espresso process that includes getting quality beans, grinding them correctly, tamping consistently, making sure the portafilter and cup are preheated. Its skill in these areas that makes a great coffee house quality espresso. Starbucks has great machines but poorly trained baristas, IMHO, that's why starbucks result can be poor and inconsistent. Watch general espresso making videos that aren't centered on particular machines to get tips on those skills
Reply · Report · Chris M on Mar 19, 2016
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Does the PID unit remember the settings if left powered off? I am interested to know if it has any kind of timer or way to save power.

Thanks!
Jay D on Aug 11, 2014
Best Answer: Yes, Once you program the PID to your desired temp, I have mine at 121. the machine will remember it no matter of hte machine is on or off, plugged or unplugged. To my knoweldge there is not ppower saving timer or else.
Reply · Report · Manjola U on Aug 13, 2014
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Hello! My question is about the dimensions and warm up. The advertised dimensions are 12w x 17d x 15 (without cup rails).

1. Is the 17" depth from the back of the machine to the end of the drip tray? Or does that 17" include to the end of the portafilter?

2. About 3 to 4" of the left side will have to sit under my cabinets which have a 17.75" clearance. What is access to the tank like? Is it a hinged door? A flat plate that lifts up and out? Could I fill the tank on the right side?

3. Advertised warm up is 11 minutes. I take it that is from a cold start? That is fast as I've been reading 20,30 even 45 min warm ups on other machines.

Thanks!
A shopper on Aug 7, 2014
Best Answer: The Rocket Cellini is 17 inches deep from the back of the machine to the end of the drip tray, and the portafilter extends out about another 5 inches. We do recommend leaving the portafilter attached to the machine at all times to keep the brew head gasket moist, so with the portafilter the machine ends up being about 22 inches deep. The water tank is accessed from the top, and there is a small cover/lid that lifts off to allow you to pull the tank straight up to remove it. When you want to add water to the tank, you will likely be able to pour in from the right side where you don't have a cabinet above, however on occasion you would want to move the machine to pull out and clean the tank. The machine will be hot within the boiler after 11 minutes, however we recommend a 30 minute heat up time to ensure that the portafilter and brew head are also hot, so you're not running your nice hot espresso through the metal of a cold portafilter. Hope this helps!
Reply · Report · Teri KStaff on Aug 7, 2014
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Hi Sir/Madam,

Two questions:
1) Are there temper, single filter holder, and double filter holder in the box when I buy this machine?
2) Is that a simple temper or a good metal temper?

Thanks,

Lin
Forest on Jun 27, 2014
Best Answer: Yes, this Rocket Cellini V3 includes a tamper, along with single and double portafilters and baskets. The included tamper is an aluminum model that is a medium weight and works for most folks, so I would suggest giving it a try before you invest in an alternative option.
Reply · Report · Teri KStaff on Jun 30, 2014
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Could this unit produce 50 or so cycles continuously?
A shopper on Dec 31, 2015
Best Answer: This is a very study machine and I leave my machine on for hours at a time. Because of the pid it is continually maintaining the temperature. I do multiple shots and the temperature is maintained between shots and milk froths

If you use the hot water valve the amount of water you can drain will cause the temperature to drop enough that you will have to wait for the temperature and pressure to recover. I use a separate water heater for hot water to prewarm my mugs
Reply · Report · Chris M on Feb 6, 2016
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Does this unit require a cooling shot before use? All of the videos I have seen so far don't show one being done, but many of the blogs read that all heat exchange machines require you to flush water before the first use to lower the water temperature. Thanks!
Paul S on Aug 18, 2014
Best Answer: Yes, if the water in the brew head has not been flushed recently then a cooling flush would lower the temperature and provide best results for this Rocket Cellini or any e-61 brew head machine. During videos we may not always show this, or sometimes just plain forget when thinking about other details! If you just brewed a shot, this detail is also not necessary, as the previous shot has cooled down the brew head a bit. I hope this clarifies!
Reply · Report · Teri KStaff on Aug 19, 2014
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can you send me link for packing the cellini for service in original box please?
Ralph C on Aug 8, 2016
Best Answer: Thanks for reaching out and inquiring about how to package up your Rocket espresso machine. I will include a link with some video that should you how to package the machine.

(https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/service/tech-tips/package-machine-for-shipping)
Reply (1) · Report · Edgar SStaff on Aug 11, 2016
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What is the duty cycle of the vibration pump on this machine?
Ron G on Apr 30, 2016
Best Answer: Not sure duty cycle is applicable here. It comes on to fill the boiler tank from the reservoir whenever the level gets low in it (boiler). This usually happens for a few moments at power up, when steaming, using hot water spigot or making espresso. If you're talking about mean time between failures then I have no idea.
Reply · Report · Bill C on May 1, 2016
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Can you elaborate on the pre infusion capabilities? It is my understanding that all e61 groups will pre infuse when the lever is lifted to the middle position, then slightly above when residual water will flow without the pump operating.
Ty H on Mar 5, 2016
Best Answer: Ty, since this machine only uses an internal water reservoir, there is no water line pressure for the type of preinfusion you are talking about. However, the E61 group head provides preinfusion by design. Also, since this machine has a vibratory pump, the pressure rises slowly giving more preinfusion than an equivalent machine with a rotary pump. From the time I lift the lever, it is about seven or eight seconds until I see espresso begin to come out of the portafilter spout.
Reply · Report · Rocky S on Mar 17, 2016
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I read that the water tank cannot take water filters or softeners. If this is true what other options exist to manage hard water?
A shopper on Dec 28, 2015
Best Answer: There is a softener designed to work in the Rocket water tank... https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/rocket-espresso-water-reservoir-filter
Reply · Report · SCG SStaff on Feb 5, 2016
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Hi,

Is the Cellini Premium plumb-able?
Rick on Oct 20, 2015
Best Answer: No
Reply · Report · Michele BStaff on Oct 23, 2015
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Can you brew and steam at the same time?
Sam L on Jun 22, 2015
Best Answer: Yes! That's the beauty of a heat exchanger.
Reply · Report · Michele BStaff on Jul 31, 2015
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I don't understand the benefit of adding a PID to a heat exchange machine. The way I understand a heat exchange machine is the boiler is set at the steam temperature (higher than brew temp) and cold water from the reservoir passes through the boiler bringing the temperature up to the brew temperature and recirculates from the E61 grouphead back into the boiler. A cooling flush is necessary as the recirculating water is too hot the brew. The PID will control the temperature of the boiler, but that's the steam temperature, not the brew temperature and the whole point of a PID is to control the brew temperature. Even if the steam temperature is held constant by the PID, the water in the reservoir can fluctuate and you still don't have precise control over the brew temperature and still need to do a cooling flush.
I understand a PID for a single boiler or dual boiler machine as you're controlling the temperature of the brew water (which is the whole point of a PID), but it doesn't make sense for a heat exchanger. What am I missing?
Rob L on Apr 30, 2015
Best Answer: Yes, the PID does control the steam boiler temperature, but that also, in turn, affects the temperature in the tube that the brew water will get to.? Heat Exchangers in general will keep the brew water pretty consistent at about 200-202, but by altering the temperature that the steam portion is at, then more heat will be transferred to the water in the brew tube quicker, so you can adjust up or down accordingly for how you would like to brew at what temperature.? While it is definitely true that you want to pull out the overheated water, that generally just applies when the machine has been sitting for about 1/2 hour, as the water in the brew tube would have been sitting and absorbing heat for a longer period of time, rising above the ideal brewing temperature.? By purging, you're now incorporating new cold water into the brew tube, that then absorbs heat from the steam portion.? Historically, if you wanted to change the temperature that the brew water would come out with, you would need to get into the machine itself, altering the temperature that the boiler was keeping the steam temp at.? This is a fragile way of doing it though, as small adjustments mean big changes to the brew temperature, and it is easy to go too far unknowingly.? We do not recommend getting into the machine to adjust the steam temperature.? A PID helps to find that middle ground, offering a bit more temperature control, but since it is on a HE, it won't be quite as precise as on a single or double boiler, where it is directly measuring and keeping the exact brew temperature.
Reply · Report · Michele BStaff on May 26, 2015
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Does the brew pressure guage on the Cellini measure pump pressure or pressure at the brewhead?
Matt D on Apr 16, 2015
Best Answer: The brew pressure gauge on the Cellini Premium Plus with PID measures the pump pressure.
Reply · Report · Michele BStaff on May 6, 2015
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Do you have a recommended temperature setting for the PID when using Velton's Bonzai Blend?
Rocky S on Mar 13, 2015
Best Answer: No, no set recommendation. It all comes down to preference! Try playing around with the temperature until you find what you like best.
Reply · Report · Michele BStaff on Mar 28, 2015
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Are there any other differences between this machine and the Cellini Evoluzione V2 other than the PID, different pump, and not being plumable?
Rocky S on Mar 8, 2015
Best Answer: Those are the big differences! The other difference will be that the gauges on the front will be white on the Premium Plus, and black on the Evoluzione.
Reply · Report · Miranda GStaff on Mar 9, 2015
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Is this a vibration or rotary machine?
A shopper on Jan 29, 2015
Best Answer: This has a vibratory pump, as it only has a tank and you cannot plumb in the machine.
Reply · Report · Stephanie AStaff on Feb 2, 2015
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What size tamp do u recommend for this machine? I need a new one and purchased this model from you a few years back.
Nathan L on Dec 18, 2014
Best Answer: This uses a 58mm portafilter, so you will need a 58mm tamper.
Reply · Report · Stephanie AStaff on Dec 22, 2014
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Warranty Information for the Rocket Espresso Cellini Premium Plus with PID

What it Covers:

Rocket Espresso machines

Length:

- Home Use: 1 year parts and labor (R60, R58, Evolution, Premium Plus, Fausto Grinder)

- Commercial Equipment: 1 year parts, 3 months labor

Who Supports the Warranty: Seattle Coffee Gear
Warranty Contact Information: 866-372-4734 or email us at warranty@seattlecoffeegear.com
Notes: Read more about Seattle Coffee Gear's Warranty coverage.
Eligible for SCG Extended Warranty? Yes for home equipment
Can SCG Repair? Yes. Read more about our out-of-warranty repair services.

Caring for the Rocket Espresso Cellini Premium Plus with PID

  • Clean the brew gasket with a cleaning brush.
  • Soap out water tank and drip tray every few days.
  • Perform backflush routine daily and clean the filter basket each week.
  • Keep the stainless-steel casing shiny with a microfiber cloth.

User Manuals for your Rocket Espresso Cellini Premium Plus with PID

Reviews

Pretty Much Identical to My Favorite Coffee ShopReview by Isaac
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I wanted to wait until I was confident that I knew how to use this machine before posting a review. I spent a couple of months reading quite a few blogs, watching videos, measuring inputs, weighing outputs, and made quite a few really bad espressos before finally learning how to use this machine. Today, I can make a drink that to me tastes exactly like the drinks where I buy my coffee beans. After all of the experimenting and measuring, it looks like the coffee dose and paying attention to what the machine tells me is all I really needed. I've settled on 19 grams of the coffee beans I like and I adjusted the grind until the pressure gauge showed about 9 bars. Everyone seems to favor weight over volume but I got hung up on trying to stop the extraction at different exact weights and they never seemed to taste quite right. I went back to volume and stop the extraction around 60-70 ml and it tastes great in a milk based drink. I am very happy with this machine and as long as it lasts many years I think the price is worth it. (Posted on 7/29/2016)
Enjoying great brews!Review by TerrillH
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After trying out an automatic espresso machine for two months and being disappointed, talked with an SCG sales professional about my past experience with a manual espresso machine and goals for brews. She suggested any of three machines. She brewed a latte on the Rocket Expresso Cellini with PID -- it was delicious! Bought a Eureka Mini grinder and the Rocket and some coffee. Setup was easy. Brewed an Americano for myself the next morning. Followed it up with a latte for my wife. Several days and coffee drinks later we are both very happy with our purchase. It is easy to pull shots and easy and quick to steam/froth milk. Thanks SCG! (Posted on 7/20/2016)
Love the CelliniReview by CJ
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I bought the Cellini w/PID in November 2015. It seemed to have all the features I wanted, and was hundreds of dollars less than other Rocket machines that had 'perks' that I didn't think were necessary. I roasted coffee and worked as a barista in college, and the Cellini w/PID provides just as quality of espresso as the big boys. We pull about 2 double shots a day, and this machine has been a dream. Warms up quickly, consistent pulls, and great steam pressure. I also like how there's an automatic low water sensor that ensures you don't pull air into the boiler when the reservoir is low (the worst thing you can do!). If you're looking at this machine for home use, know this (I assume this goes for all Rocket machines):

Warm-up time: give it at least 10 minutes to heat your water and warm up the brewhead. This is a semi-automatic machine, not a super-auto.

Clean-up time: backflush the machine after each shot to keep the portafilter in prime condition. Once a week, you should backflush thoroughly using Cafiza or another espresso machine detergent. Every 3 months, descale the machine with Dezcal. If you're not up for maintaining the machine, don't bother wasting your money. I wipe down the stainless steel after each use to keep it looking new. Total daily clean-up time = 5 min, total weekly Cafiza time = 5 min, total quarterly descaling time = 30 min.

Overall, love this thing. I don't mind the noise of the pump at all- reminds me of the good ol' barista days in college! Paired this with a Rancilio Rocky, which is a great grinder (IMHO, don't waste your money on $500+ grinders, just adjust your tamp according to your coffee...never understood the need for such fine-tuning on the grinder, but that's for a different review!)
(Posted on 5/5/2016)
The perfect latte, in my pajamasReview by Meghan
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I can't believe I went to so much trouble to go our for my latte every single day for YEARS. I can't imagine doing that now! I get to roll out of bed, flip a switch, and have an incredible latte 15 min later, in the comfort of my own home.

This is my first espresso machine, as I always knew I would either go all the way or just stick to the coffee shops because I am PICKY. We never thought we would make an investment like this, but we are thrilled we did. We have had the machine a year, and it paid for itself embarrassingly quickly once we stopped going to coffee shops.

I feel a little silly to say it, but I don't know that much about coffee. I just know a good latte from a bad one, and I just wanted my good latte at home without spending a couple hundred a month for the rest of my life. As time goes on, I will probably continue to learn more and get even more out of this awesome machine, but I can say that for a beginner (well, I worked at a coffee shop once 10 years ago), it's really not that hard. You don't have to be a connoisseur to learn to use it and get an excellent drink. The basics ARE important such as the grind right and steaming the milk which takes practice, but in the days of YouTube, in addition to the staff at SCG, anyone can pretty much get it down.

With this machine, you can buy one and you're done. Rather than start with a cheaper machine and be bummed every day that you don't get the drink or the steamed milk you really want and let it nag you a few years till you upgrade.

And yes, since I have to walk past it in my kitchen 20 times a day, I wanted it to look nice, and it is beautiful! (Posted on 1/31/2016)
Worth The PremiumReview by Gabe
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First I would like to just put it out there that this thing is ultra expensive. My philosophy has always been that price does not matter if you plan on actually using the machine often. I had a Rancilio Sylvia V3 for 4 years now and not one day went by that I did not pull a shot from it so, at least in my head :P, I could justify the purchase.

That said, for the price, this thing is very well crafted and incredibly beautiful. It is stunning to look at and will make any kitchen pop. I've only had it for 2 days, so I am sure that the appeal will eventually wear off, but I can't say I was that impressed with the way the Sylvia looked. I'll have to update this review in a year or so (if I remember) to comment on durability. It feels like a tank... but only time will tell.

So thank goodness that looks are not the ONLY thing that defines the Rocket. It pulls shots better then MOST cafes I have been to here in Texas with the exception of a couple of cafes that it actually MATCHES in the quality of espresso. We are talking about cafes with 20K+ Marzoccos and even with the American built Slayer!!! Though I will say that you should go bottom-less if you really want the best shot possible. There were notes in my espresso that was very difficult to get from the Sylvia. A dear friend, who is also a coffee aficionado, came by to taste test it and he swore I added some sort of sweetener to the latte. I've only had to dial in the shot once and I was already getting sweet, rich, golden, and velvety crema.

Steam power on this machine is in a league of its own. I thought the Rancilio was quick, but this thing will heat up your milk so fast that you will quickly find yourself running out of time to texture your milk (so don't mess up :P). It's not really a con... as who can complain about good steam power... but the Rancilio did give you just enough time to texture the milk and fix any mistakes (like large bubbles) before the milk became too hot. With the Rocket, you gotta steam properly from the get-go. There is little room for error. That said... I did get latte art by the 2nd drink.

In the end, I have to give it 5 stars on quality and 4 on price and value. If I drank a latte at a good cafe every day, it would take me nearly 2 years to make up for the value of the machine. That's a bit much as with the Sylvia it took like 9 months :P. I don't know if I will be back to update this review in a year or 2... but I do know that if this thing goes 3 years or more... then in my book, it deserves 5 stars for both price and value as you are getting world class coffee in your home and at your convenience for less then what you will be paying at a cafe. (Posted on 11/22/2014)
Great Machine!Review by Javalou
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I love my Rocket Espresso Cellini Premium Plus with PID,it pulls a wonderful shot and steams like a dream.A real pleasure to have! (Posted on 11/17/2014)
Great looks, easy to use and great espresso. Review by NICK
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I should start this review with a disclaimer of sorts; this is my second machine. My first being a Saeco Aroma.. which I considered the equivalent of using my toes to test pool water. I may have skipped over the Rancillo and Oscar just because I knew I'd end up here anyways.

Aesthetically the Rocket series is beautiful.. unless you don't like shiny metal, but why wouldn't you? It's also easy to clean.

As far as ease of use; I had never pulled a shot with a normal portafilter before I bought this machine. I'll admit that set me behind a bit, but after a day of working on it I was doing good. SCG has some good videos as well as youtube for tips on how to do it properly.

Pay attention to the guages on the front while using the machine, it speeds up dialing in your grind and your tamp.

As I only have an Aroma to compare to.. the steam power on this unit is immense, and I've still not mastered it. I have managed to get a paint like texture twice.. I figure another 3 gallons of milk and II'll have it down.

The machine recovers fast enough that I can make 4 double shots when friends are over and not feel like I've missed out on visiting with them.

I like the PID on the machine and it is simple to use, the book had a conversion chart in it, the videos you see of this model sometimes show a loose insert.

The one thing I was not super happy with was the cup tray rail.. it's smoked Plexiglas and mine does not sit flat. The stainless steel one looks nice but on Rocket's Facebook they showed some concept pictures for a black anodized rail and a polished copper.. which I think would look very nice. I'm not really worried about it though as I don't intend to keep the one it ships with.

Overall I'm extremely happy . (Posted on 8/2/2014)
Would recommend if can affordReview by lovealatte
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Great machine, had a mid-range Breville for many years, it didn't produce great espresso, and was more of a glorified 1 serving coffee machine, an over extracted brew.

I have the Rocket on a timer to turn-on 45 min before use in the morning, I like the boiler at temp for a period of time where the entire head heats up. Produces great espresso shots and superb milk frothing. Machine is pricey, but worth it you plan having it for many years, and it keeps you out of the coffee shops.

Need a good grinder. Purchased a Baratza Forte and returned it, couldn't get it to give a consistent grind. IMO, this grinder adjustment mechanism is not a robust design. Whether something went awry in shipping, or it needed some other tweaking...what ever the issue...IMO a good design should withstand the shipping and use environment, and be easy to adjust without disassembly, and hassle, ect.

I then purchased a Mazzer Mini. Within two cycles of fine adjustment tuning was able to achieve great espresso shots. Couldn't be happier, for same price range, I would recommend this grinder over the Baratza. (Posted on 8/1/2014)

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