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Bottomless Portafilter 53mm for Saeco and Starbucks Espresso Machines

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Get that rich, velvety shot of espresso right out of your machine with the customized 53mm Bottomless Portafilter. Suitable for most Saeco or Starbucks Espresso Machines, you'll be able to see the luscious crema pouring out of this portafilter in one fluid stream. This portafilter handle is compatible with the following espresso machines:
  • Saeco Aroma
  • Starbucks Barista
  • Saeco Via Venezia
  • Estro Profi
  • Saeco Magic Cappuccino
  • Saeco Gran Crema
  • Saeco Via Veneto
  • Saeco Classico
Bottomless Portafilter 53mm for Saeco and Starbucks Espresso Machines

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Get that rich, velvety shot of espresso right out of your machine with the customized 53mm Bottomless Portafilter. Suitable for most Saeco or Starbucks Espresso Machines, you'll be able to watch the luscious crema pouring out of this portafilter in one fluid stream. This portafilter handle is compatible with the following espresso machines:

  • Saeco Aroma
  • Starbucks Barista
  • Saeco Via Venezia
  • Estro Profi
  • Saeco Magic Cappuccino
  • Saeco Gran Crema
  • Saeco Via Veneto
  • Saeco Classico

The 53mm Bottomless Portafilter does not include filter baskets. Use one of the filter baskets that came with your espresso machine.

Width 53mm
Product Weight (lbs.) 1.0000
Size 53mm
Manufacturer Seattle Coffee Gear

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Bottomless Portafilter 53mm for Saeco and Starbucks Espresso Machines
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Bill P asked: Does anyone know if this 53mm portafilter will fit my Solis SL70? The handle has separated, and I am trying to decide on whether not to mess with refitting it with a new handle or just acquiring a whole new portafilter assembly. Dec 8, 2012
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Bill R: Hmm... Well, I love this bottomless portafilter on my Saeco - it's a big improvement over the stock pressurized PF. But I'm not familiar with the Solis. If you buy it, and it doesn't fit, you should have no trouble selling it on ebay. Sorry I couldn't help more.

Best,
Bill
Dec 12, 2012
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Teri KStaff: Yes, this portafilter should fit your Solis SL70 just fine. These portafilters are not branded for the Solis machines, and unfortunately I do not have one here I can test it on, but their portafilters are typically interchangeable. Dec 12, 2012
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Juan H: Teri K, and Bill P,
This WILL NOT fit the Solis SL-70 or SL-90 with out modification. I had to modify it to fit my SL-70. Check out coffemods to see how to modify one to fit. It is an excellent upgrade.
Jul 2, 2014
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Teri KStaff: Thanks for the feedback, Juan! That is great to know! Jul 3, 2014
Santiago Luz: It doesn't fit, but you can make it fit! :)
Google it: coffee mods solis bottomless portafilter
Aug 7, 2013
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BillP B: Cool. Thanks to both of you. This seems like it will be worth a try. :-) Dec 14, 2012
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Chris W asked: Has anyone ever tried (or know anyone who's tried) using this portafilter in a DeLonghi EC702? They're both 53mm units, and I'm told they both use the same (or vary similar) group heads.

Thanks,

-Chris
May 27, 2012
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A shopper asked: Is't work on my machine (PHILIPS SAECO HD 8327)? And if i got this, Should i change the filter baskets? Thanks~~~ Mar 27, 2014
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Teri KStaff: Yes, this Bottomless Portafilter 53mm for Saeco Machines works with the Poemia, and since it does not come with baskets, you can simply use the single or double basket that came with your machine. You do not need another basket, but you do need a 53mm tamper and a good quality grinder for good results with this bottomless. Hope this helps! Mar 27, 2014
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A shopper asked: What causes the bottomless pf to spray instead of a single stream?? Mar 3, 2013
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Stephen Z: As others have mentioned, this is called channeling. The water will take the path of least resistance, and if the grind is uneven or too large you will get the channeling.

I was using a "cheap" electric grinder ($30) when I first got this portafilter, and as soon as I saw the channeling, I knew I needed a better grinder. That plus my shots were pulling too fast and I couldn't grind any finer with the grinder I had. Unfortunately, getting a grinder for espresso can cost almost as the Saeco.

I purchased a hand grinder ($40)
http://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/hario-skeleton-skerton-coffee-mill?SID=o5eq3o6kku23m78sp3kh2ft3u6

I was able to stop the channeling and get the shot to time out 20 to 30 seconds. For the price, this is an excellent grinder. It has stops to adjust the grind and unfortunately you can't choose in-between the stops... unless you get a lock nut. You can get them at a hardware store for a quarter. You'll need the Nylon M8-1.25 and will need to adjust the grind with a wrench. But it gives me absolute control for adjusting the grind.

This only issue with the grinder is on less oily beans it becomes hard to grind. However, most beans will grind smoothly.

Still not able to pull a God shot though. I'm not sure it can be done with the Saeco. But I keep trying, and the shots have improved.
Mar 9, 2013
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Neil S: This portafilter will challenge your barista skills. It could be channeling so try to set you grind a bit finer and be sure to tamp level and evenly to about 30 pounds of pressure. You can use a bathroom scale to get a feel for pressing down on the tamper to 30 lbs.

Their are several variables at work - the espresso machine, the age and roast level of the coffee beans, the grinder and grind setting, and the tamp. Are you using a good burr grinder? This is important and with it you can try to dial in your shot by adjusting your grind more coarse or more fine. Additionally, you can try different tamping pressures.

I would like to give you a quick and easy answer but this is an art and it takes time to develop a good technique.

Have fun!
Mar 4, 2013
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John T: Hello,
The spray I believe is caused by channeling. Flowing water searches for the fastest way to the end. The mist/jet of water you're seeing is a result of the brewing water finding the path of least resistance through the coffee.

Problems and solutions point to perfect dosing, perfect tamping, and a few other things like not banging the portafilter around and inserting it into the group head with ease.

These details in training are my favorite things about a bottomless PF, showing people just how hard it is to pull a perfect shot, and not one that brews unevenly. Another great thing is the ability to taste and associate good shot behavior with bad shot behavior.

Hope this helps
Mar 4, 2013
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Colin S: I've run into this problem on occasion. Don't know if this will fix it, but here goes.

If it's spraying around the outside of the portafiler:
- Make sure you've solidly secured your portafilter on the group head. I've noticed it happening when my seal between the group head and the puck isn't tight.
- Don't overfill the basket. When my pucks have been overly packed, I get runoff on the sides.

If it's spraying THROUGH the bottom of the filter:
- Make sure you've got an even and firm tamp going.
- Clean your group head. I was getting uneven pours -- until I bought a stainless steel brush and cleaned that sucker.

Hope this helps!
Mar 4, 2013
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Alvin S: There could be a few reasons for this. When I initially tried the bottomless portafilter on my Saeco Aroma, I quickly realized that stale beans caused it to spray no matter how I dosed, tamped, etc. Fresh beans made a world of difference. Also, make sure you are grinding fine enough. The same grind setting that you used on the pressurized portafilter won't work with the bottomless portafilter. You need to grind finer.

Lastly, it could be uneven distribution of coffee grounds in the portafilter basket which leads to channelling and spraying.
Mar 4, 2013
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Phil V: The spritzing and spraying is annoying, and tough to "fix". It's called channeling- meaning that the hot water finds pathways through the coffee grounds that offer less resistance, and it gallops on through. I've had minor success in minimizing it- The grinder and the tamp are the main places to make adjustments. google "espresso channeling" and you'll find some detailed descriptions and advice.

let us know if you have some success.
Mar 4, 2013
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Joshua C: I had this problem when I first got the bottomless portafilter for my Saeco Via Venezia. After many adjustments finer on my grinder could not imagine that the coffee grounds needed to be finer. They did. Just keep adjust the grind finer and the spraying will stop.

Also make sure you are using at least 14 grams of coffee and are tamping and distributing the coffee evenly in the portafilter.
Mar 4, 2013
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Trent C: This has to do with the grind / tamp. If it sprays then the pressure being pushed through the coffee was able to channel, then it acts like a stream as it forces extra water through the small "path". Keep working on your grind settings and tamp procedure.

This actually is the point of a bottomless as without it you wouldnt know you still had some room for improving your technique :)
Mar 5, 2013
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Salvatore L: I've had the same issue, but the spray from my experience is caused from leakage around the portafilter. So I do get a stream but at the same time spray around where the group and portafilter meet. Sorry, I don't know the cause. I stopped using this portafilter and went back to the non pressurized with the two spouts which I also purchase a Seattle Coffee - very well made and no leak. Mar 10, 2013
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beer m: It could be a few things: 1) distribution of grinds in the portafilter (ie make sure you have uniform distribution), and 2) even tamp.

What grinder do you have? If it comes out really clumpy then you need to work on (1). Google WDT technique (Weiss Distribution Technique). Number (2): make sure you push down level

Hope that helps. -j
Mar 4, 2013
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Kleber C: it's channeling...
now you are seeing what is hidden in the original PF.

you can try to grinder your coffee more fine.
you also can try increase the amount of coffee (try steps like 0.5gr)
and also you can try to improve the coffee distribution in the filter (using techniques like WDT or Nutation Tamping)
Mar 4, 2013
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Joshua F: The puck not being evenly tamped. I discovered when I bought the bottomless portafilter that I was tapping the basket before putting the portafilter into place, thus disturbing the grounds. Sprayed and streamed everywhere. Mar 4, 2013
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Steve W: Coffee is not properly tamped. That means you have not used your tamper to press and pack the coffee in the portafilter. After you tamp, make sure to polish the top with a twist. It's all important. Watch the vid on SCG. Mar 5, 2013
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Benjamin M: The evenness of your tamp, amount of coffee and even the coffee itself (oily, not oily beans). Be sure to weigh the coffee into the portafilter to cut down on variables. Mar 5, 2013
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Larry C: Most likely uneven tamping. Mar 4, 2013
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Hung Hay H: The grind is too coarse Mar 4, 2013
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A shopper asked: I use this SCG bottomless portafilter for Saeco machines with Saeco Poemia and I have a question about using it.

During extraction, I see main stream of coffee that falls from the bottom of the portafilter into the cup by gravity, but I also see tiny streams, probably by the machine's pressure, that defy gravity and shoot out from portafilter to everywhere near the machine. They usually fly diagonally downward.

I guess I'm doing something wrong, since my Poemia is shooting out coffee as if it were water pistol or something, but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
When I tamp, I press and turn, and don't knock.
I use 52mm tamper (because when I purchased the tamper, I didn't know the exact diameter of the basket)

Does anyone have any idea? If so, please share with me.
Thank you in advance
Jul 1, 2014
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Micah P: Great question.

What you are experiencing is called 'channelling'. Basically, the water is pushing through the coffee and creating ruts or 'channels' that allow the water to flow through the coffe and spurt out everywhere instead of extracting the shot evenly. There are a couple thing you need to check:

First, you are right to question your tamping technique. That can play a part in this, but it's usually not going to be the main problem. You might try a 53mm tamper and use 30lbs of pressure.

Second, the problem could be with your grinder. If you don't have a grinder then this is a BIG part your problem. Making real espresso with a non-pressurized portafilter like this one requires an espresso-grade grinder. So the bad news is that you really need to buy a an espresso-grade grinder. The good news is that a good grinder will blow you away?

Third, if you have a good grinder, the problem is probably your grind - either your grind is not fine enough or your grounds are clumpy. If you have an espresso-grade grinder, you should be able to adjust it so that it grinds a little finer, if that is the problem. And if you think your grounds might be clumpy, then just grab a paper clip or toothpick or dissecting needle and give the grinds a good stir. This will help break up any clumps that might be causing your channelling.

Fourth, I don't want to leave out the fact that you need fresh-roasted coffee! Coffee is only 'fresh' for about 15 days after it is roasted. Find a local roaster that puts the 'roast date' on each bag of coffee. Try some of their fresh roasted espresso blend. You can also buy from roasters online, but you'll have to pay shipping.

I hope this helps and I'd love to hear back from you!
Jul 2, 2014
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Apirat I: I've definitely experienced the issue you're having. I've also gotten very good results with the bottomless portafilter on the Saeco Poemia. There are a few factors that can contribute to the issue you're talking about. It could be any one, combination, or all of these.

1. The tamp could be too light. If you have a bathroom scale, try tamping on that to ensure you're getting 30-40lbs of downward pressure.

2. The grind could be too coarse. I used a Porlex ceramic burr hand grinder, which grinds fine enough for espresso. A lot of grinders can't get fine enough.

3. The beans could be too old, too dry or too lightly roasted. A few roasters have beans that are roasted perfectly for the Poemia: Stumptown, Ritual and Toby's Estate. I get great results with any of their espresso blends.

I've had some bad luck with a lot of their single origins, often because the lighter roast on the beans.

Fresh beans always work better than old beans. For example, Intelligentsia discards unused beans just a few days after roasting because they get stale.

4. You could be using too much or too little coffee. With the Poemia, I've found between 18 and 20 grams works quite well. Closer to 18g with fresher beans, closer to 20g with older beans.

Hope this is helpful!
Jul 3, 2014
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Joseph E L: Make sure you brew head is clean, our Venizia has a plastic tool for cleaning coffee from the seal. You turn it in just like a portafilter and it scraps the coffee from the seal.

SCG sells a tune up kit for the little Saeco machines, perhaps your portafilter is not sealing properly. I guess a poorly fitting basket could create problems as well, not to forget the portafilter could be machined wrong and does not press against the seal when the protafilter is locked in place.

The only real problem we had so far using the bottomles portafilter is I could not dial in the grinder for Lavazza Qualita Rossa, I could get it to an 18 second pull but after that the Saeco would grunt and groan and stop completely. We switched back to Lavazza Qualita Oro and now can dial in 20 -30 second pulls, still grunts and groans but keeps pumping.
Jul 2, 2014
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Yamit S: I experienced the same thing. The ONLY way I was able to fix it consistenly was by upgrading my grinder and dialing in my grinder at the appropriately.

The problem was that my grind was not fine enough.

Something to remember is that the machine works for a pressurized portafilter, so the bar is at like a 19 or something. And since with the machine you can't control the pressure going through - you then have to control it through the grind and tamp.

I suggest upgrading a grinder and dialing it in for each bean and you will see a NAICE espresso puck after each shot.

Once you get this fixed, your shots (if your using a 2 week or less old bean) will be SUPER.

BTW I put 18 grams of coffee dry and 30 grams wet in about 30ish seconds.
Jul 2, 2014
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David P: To create a sound puck, leveling the ground coffee is vital. Prior to tamping one wants the ground coffee distributed as follows:

Its depth even all around the basket.
Its density even all around the basket.
No gaps or breaks, especially around the perimeter of the basket.

If the level and tamp are correct, the espresso will quickly collect at the center of the basket and descend as a single stream into the cup. If it is incorrect, little sprouts will squirt off in all directions making a mess. A few days with a naked portafilter will guarantee that your leveling and tamping techniques, whatever they may be, are working correctly.
Sounds like that is your problem to me.
Also if you have a 53 portafilter a 53 tamper should fit perfect
Jul 2, 2014
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James R: I found this happening to me when I first began to use my bottomless portafilter. There were two things I noticed which eliminated this from happening. First, the fineness and consistency of the grind. When I ground my own coffee in my cheap grinder it squirted everywhere. I just use a pre-ground espresso grind coffee which eliminated this. My coffee grinder was unable to grind it to the proper consistency, which I assume is why this was occurring. Second, I do not knock the side of the portafilter. I would buy the proper size tamper as well. I bought mine off this site for relatively cheap, $25 or so I think. Jul 2, 2014
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Leilani C: From what I understand it's referred to as spurting and it a result of uneven tamping. Are you measuring your dose? I dose, tamp, whack each side with tamper, press lightly and give a spin. I love the bottomless filter.

I can't find the original page where I learned the above but check out
home-barista dot com,
go to the How-to's link and try the Diagnosing Espresso Extraction Problems link

also after going to their site type in naked-extraction-common-problems.html
after the \ after the main site name.

Happy Pulling!
Jul 2, 2014
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Juan H: Hi,
The first question that comes to mind is, "are you using a burr grinder to grind your coffee?" , if so, then what quality or brand is it?

A good grinder is more important that the espresso machine and any accessories that you can buy.

It sounds to me that you have an uneven grind. How long does it take to make a 2oz. shot with a double shot basket in your portafilter, from the time you turn the pump on? Should be 23-30 seconds. If you are in the 5-15 second range then your grind is too large.

coffeemods
Jul 2, 2014
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James R: I've seen that problem from time to time as well. I guess in that case it can be a number of different causes but in all cases I want to conclude the water is finding a channel that's easier to travel than the area around it and so the pressure pushes water (coffee) through that spot with good force (yes, spraying everywhere!). For me it's been correctable by taking my grind to a finer level and ensuring I have a good, consistent packing of the portafilter.

Hope this helps. At least you know you're not the only one!
Jul 2, 2014
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Nadine R: Hey,

I use the bottemless portafilter with a Saeco Aroma and from time to time I have the same issue. I found that it was caused by inappropriate coffee ground. Mostly, it was too rough and sometimes tamped with too low pressure. So, I recommend considering your grinding parameters and tamper pressure.
Jul 5, 2014
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Ryan M: Your grinds are either to fine, you are over-tamping, or your machine has a flaw/leak. If it's a new machine, it's likely the grind fineness and the tamping. Tamping should be about 35 lbs of force. Hopefully you're using a burr grinder to get the right consistency? Jul 2, 2014
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Josh B: Could be an uneven tamp or uneven grind. It sounds like you're very cautious with your tamping. If you're using a low end grinder, that could be your problem. Variance in particle size would cause water to channel and shoot out just as you described. Jul 2, 2014
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Mathew T: I had the same problem at first. The issue was that my grinder wasn't going fine enough and it was inconsistent. I tried a better grinder and problem solved. Jul 15, 2014
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Sarah M: Hmm... Sounds like maybe your grind isn't fine enough. I had to buy a new grinder in order to achieve a fine enough powder and avoid spraying. Jul 2, 2014
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Trent F: Check your grind. Mine did that when I first got the bottomless portafilter. Turns out my grind wasn't fine enough. Jul 3, 2014
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A shopper asked: has anyone tested this? Jul 10, 2013
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Phil V: I bought this bottomless portafilter for my Saeco 6 months ago, and use it daily. (it replaced the orig equipment portafilter with the built in the pressure system). It's pretty expensive for what it delivers- but being a passionate espresso guy, I wanted to try it out.

Overall, its well built and functions well. I prefer it slightly to the orig equipment, but it's hasn't been a compelling upgrade for me. For me, it doesn't simplify the process of making a good espresso, but it has helped refine my grinding and tamping skills.

The biggest advantage it offers me is that It's very easy to keep clean and it doesn't accumulate old stale coffee oils and residues- which the original portafilter does.

Regarding the quality of the coffee- when I use really freshly roasted beans - this portafilter doesn't really make a big difference for me compared to the orig one. (Perhaps because I always carefully tamped my coffee in the old style portafilter too?) The crema and character of the ristrettos that I make with either "handle" are pretty similar. If I use older roasts though, the bottomless portafilter is less likely to get any real creama developed.
Jul 11, 2013
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Robert H: I bought this bottomless portafilter to replace the pressurized unit from my used Saeco Estro Vapore.

The idea was that it would help me perfect my tamping technique and when all goes well I do get a lovely thick rope of foamy coffee.

I have not really had totally consistent results though and I would say that probably about a third of the time there will be some rogue spray or drool from the filter and I have to be attentive and adjust the position of the cup, sometimes even holding it up against the handle to capture all the precious liquid.

If I could do it all over I would probably just purchase a normal spouted portafilter because sometimes I just want a cup of coffee without having to fuss with it.
Jul 11, 2013
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Edward L: Hi,

I bought one of these last year. Use it everyday, and works great. I have a Starbucks barista machine, and just kept the basket from my broken handle. This one is very sturdy, feels like the metal goes well into the handle unlike the one that came with the machine that broke.

Edward
Jul 12, 2013
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Kelly A: I have used it. the espresso is excellent with this. sometimes with my saeco the filter is a bit messy with drips falling out of the cup even if the cup is the same dimension of the filter. perhaps I don't have a fine enough grind or enough pressure in my tamp... Jul 12, 2013
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cullen v: i have, and i recommend it for single shots. it's also a nice tool for inspecting tamping/dosing/grinding techniques. if you're off you may be rewarded with a 'spritzing' shot, so be aware, but otherwise it's beautiful when you pull a shot properly. Jul 11, 2013
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Gino F: Yup... works as you'd expect. Nice tight fit with the standard basket.

Just make sure you know how to properly grind and tamp because there is no forgiving pressure mechanism to mask flaws in your technique.
Jul 11, 2013
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Richard D: I have been using this daily for the last 15 months -- is works great with the double shot basket that came with the machine. Quality construction is better than what originally came with my espresso machine. Jul 11, 2013
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Dale G: This piece is fantastic. Very high quality, the chrome is flawless. It has a nice heavy weight to it. I use it everyday and it still maintains a high polish. Jul 12, 2013
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Neil S: I've been using this for about a year now. No problems with the quality. You will need to use a good burr grinder to get the grind right. Jul 14, 2013
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Dean M: Yes. I have used it on a Starbucks estro and it worked great. Good Luck. Jul 11, 2013
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David S: Works great with my sbux Jul 11, 2013
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IraSeigel asked: I was hoping to get a larger shot out of my Saeco Via Venezia. But the instructions for using this bottomless portafilter - to use one of the (single or double) filter baskets that came with the unit - indicate that this item might not accomplish that. I was intending to use this Bottomless Portafilter with a larger capacity (triple?) filter basket. Does one of the proper size exist? Would I be disappointed in a larger-capacity filter basket? Jun 3, 2013
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Thomas Y: I think you might be disappointed with a larger basket. I would not ever use a single basket either. The double basket that came with my Saeco Aroma, probably the same as what came with the Venezia, is perfect for this portafitler. I would suggest tweaking your tamping, volume, and grind size if you're not happy with your shots, and if you need more than a "dopio" just pull another shot.

One of the problems you may run into is pulling so much water out of your boiler that you are getting low-temperature water coming out of the boiler by the time you're finishing the shot. Another potential problem is over-extracting the grinds.
Jun 4, 2013
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Karen M: This portafilter is nice quality but mine has EXTREMELY tight tolerances for the filter basket. I use the double filter and I have to get it out of the portafilter with a hammer. I originally bought the bottomless portafilter for ease of cleaning, thinking I could easily remove basket, but now I just rinse each time and do the hammer out of the basket occasionally. There is a lip on the bottom of the portafilter that is a little over 1/4" below the inserted double basket. So maybe a triple shot would fit it's not 1/4" taller than the double--if they make one? Jun 4, 2013
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James E: Based on my experience with this product, I would say that you will not be able to use a larger basket than the one that came with your original portafilter. I think you might have trouble even finding a different one that fits (53 mm). Most of the baskets I've seen are for larger portafilters. So, you'll might have to get a machine with a bigger capacity. Call the people at Seattle Coffee Gear. They will advise you. Jun 3, 2013
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Richard D: I have not been able to find a triple basket for my bottomless portafilter. However, with the double basket and the bottomless portafilter I am able to increase the dose of coffee that I can put into the basket as opposed to the pressurized portafilter. I can pull 3 ounces of espresso when I updose. I have also overshot on the dose and overwhelmed the pump on my Saeco. No damage to the pump. Jun 4, 2013
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Apirat I: Hello

How long of a shot are you looking to pull? I use the double shot basket that came with my Saeco and 19 grams of coffee to pull a 1 to 2 oz shot. I've pulled them a little longer than that, and it seems to work. (I use the Bodum espresso glasses and they are just over 2 oz, and can fill the glass with the double basket). Hope this is helpful!
Jun 3, 2013
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Stefan W: I'm not aware of a triple shot basket and I've never come across one, despite looking at tons of parts for my Saeco Aroma. I use the same double basket as I did with the old pressurized portafilter with this and it works great. Pulling larger shots is not a great reason to buy this. Jun 3, 2013
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James W: I've never heard of anyone doing that. If you can find a triple basket for that diameter then it would probably fit. I suspect pushing that much water through your coffee will have adverse effects on the flavor though.

If you try it, please let us know!
Jun 3, 2013
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Christopher S: There is definitely room if the portafilter is only taller. My double fits with room to spare I'm not sure where you could find a triple basket though. Good luck! Jun 4, 2013
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A shopper asked: This work with Saeco Via Veneto De Luxe?

Thanks
Mar 19, 2014
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Neil S: I wish I could give you a conclusive answer, but I can't. It looks like it will work. If you can "buy and try it" I would suggest you do so. I am very happy with mine. It does take more work to get the grind and tamp correct. So make sure you're using a good burr grinder that can be used to grind fine enough for espresso. Also, a good tamper (53 mm) is needed to apply the requisite 30 lbs of pressure to the coffee. Have fun! Mar 20, 2014
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Teri KStaff: The Via Veneto De Luxe looks as though it uses the same portafilter as the other Saeco machines like the Aroma and the Via Venezia so I assume this portafilter will work for your machine, but I do not have one here to test and so I can't say for certain. Sorry I can't be of better assistance on this for you! Mar 20, 2014
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Steve C: I am not sure.It works with Saeco Via Venezia and the Aroma.
check saeco customer service and they should be able to affirm it will work.
sorry my answer is not definitive.
Mar 20, 2014
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Thomas Y: an instant upgrade to my saeco via venezia!!!!....a must if you want to strive for pulling the best shot from your espresso machine Mar 22, 2014
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Remi M: I do not know. I bought mine for a Saeco Aroma Nero.

Sorry, I can't really help...
Mar 20, 2014
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Steve C: I've been using the bottomless portafilter on
my Via Venezia and it works great.
Mar 20, 2014
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A shopper asked: Will this work on my La Pavoni Espresso Inn (Pisa)? Jul 28, 2013
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John L: I am sorry but I would not feel confident answering your question. I assume your La Pavoni is a hand drawn pull. I would guess that it should work, but I must admit that I am having only marginal success with it on my pump machine although I have not invested that much effort. Again, I regret that I cannot give you any solid advice. Jul 30, 2013
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Teri KStaff: Unfortunately not all portafilters- even two that are both 53mm- have the same tabs and thickness of metal around the basket and top portion, and because we do not have a La Pavoni Pisa here to test, I cannot guarantee this Bottomless Portafilter for Saeco machines will work for your machine. Jul 29, 2013
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Kent H: I don't know. I have a Solis espresso machine that uses a 53 mm portafilter, but the tabs and notches bottomless po bottomless portafilter are in different places from my group head. So there's no way to tell even though the size might the correct. Jul 29, 2013
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James R: This question is not one that I can answer, as I do not have the machine to which you refer. Based on my experience with portafilters though, I would say probably not. Jul 30, 2013
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William F: No, it is designed for Saeco machines Jul 29, 2013
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A shopper asked: Would you know tell me if this item fits a Gaggia Cubika Plus? thanks Jan 22, 2014
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Andrew S: I don't know for sure as I haven't owned a Gaggia machine before. From what I have seen, the design of these portafilters differs quite a bit from what I have seen on Gaggias. Therefore I would hunt for something known to be made for those machines. Jan 23, 2014
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rachel S: First, thanks for the answers. If you look at a picture of Cubika Plus you'll see that is similar (or equal) to Aroma. I'm almost sure it uses the same portafilter. But, I'd be 100% sure before ordering. Jan 24, 2014
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Steve W: This is 53mm porta filter. If your Gaggia is like all others Gaggias, your porta filter is a 58. That is standard commercial size. Saeco makes theirs 53s Jan 23, 2014
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Gino F: Definitely won't fit any Gaggia machines since most of them use the standard 73mm portafilter. This is for a 53mm Saeco. Jan 23, 2014
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Andrew D asked: Hey there, what is the height of the portafilter? I'm trying to figure out if it will fit in the space my Gaggia MDF Grinder Doser has for portafilters. No biggie if it doesn't, just curious. Jun 3, 2014
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Andrew S: I haven't worked with this piece of equipment in a while, but the height is just shy of 1 inch exactly. If you can find the height of a 53mm portafilter basket, this portafilter is 3-5mm taller than that. Jun 4, 2014
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bridget c: I've got the Gaggia MDF grinder and this fits just fine. In fact, there is a bit of room to spare. Jun 4, 2014
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Neil S: Mine is 1 5/16" tall. Jun 4, 2014
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A shopper asked: Will this work with a Nemox Caffe Junior machine? Jul 19, 2013
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Teri KStaff: Unfortunately we don't have any Nemox machines here to test and so I can't say if this Portafilter for Saeco and Starbucks machines will fit. Keep in mind portafilters are pretty specific, as size and tabs will vary based on manufacturers, so giving it a try is the best way to know for sure. If you're local in the Seattle area, you can always bring in your machine to try! Jul 22, 2013
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Steve C: hello,
I'm am not certain if portafilter will work on the nemox machine.
only info that may help:
contact nemox to see if diameter size of their portafilter is 53mm
Jul 22, 2013
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Josh B: Yes. The Juniors use the same grouphead as the old Saeco units that shipped with unpressurized portafilters. Jul 22, 2013
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Richard I asked: Will this fit on a Saeco Poemia? Dec 2, 2012
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Katia F: Does it fit on my Saeco via venezia ? and which baskets are provided for it Sep 4, 2013
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Teri KStaff: Yes, this bottomless portafilter 53mm for Saeco machines will work with your Via Venezia. It will not come with any baskets, so you'll want to use the ones that originally came with your machine. Sep 5, 2013
Teri KStaff: Yes, this bottomless portafilter 53mm for Saeco machines will work on your Poemia. Dec 6, 2012
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ricardo e asked: Does this PF work in the Breville BES820? Jul 8, 2012
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cameron d: I have only tried it in the Saeco Aroma. It works nice and there is a very noticeable gain in shot quality over the stock pressurized portafilter once you get the hang of tamping. Jul 20, 2012
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Kaylie KStaff: Unfortunately this portafilter will not fit in the Breville 820. Jul 20, 2012
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Tom T. asked: I'm trying to figure out if this portafiliter will work with my Cuisinart EM-200? I believe the existing one is 53mm, but not sure if everything would line up correctly and secure. Thanks in advance. Apr 14, 2014
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Teri KStaff: Unfortunately portafilters are brand and machine specific, and so I do not think that this Bottomless Portafilter 53mm for Saeco machines will work for your Cuisinart. Without one to test, I can't say for certain, however it is very unlikely that this will work for your machine since the size of the portafilter and size and placement of the tabs on the portafilter are very specific. I am sorry I can't be of better assistance on this for you! Apr 15, 2014
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Reinold asked: Will it be fit Delonghi Eco310? Apr 13, 2014
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Teri KStaff: Unfortunately portafilters are brand and machine specific, and so I do not think that this Bottomless Portafilter 53mm for Saeco machines will work for your DeLonghi. Most DeLonghi machines are between 49-52mm, but also have different tab placement than the Saeco 53mm machines offer. Without one to test, I can't say for certain, however it is very unlikely that this will work for your machine. I am sorry I can't be of better assistance on this for you! Apr 15, 2014
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A shopper asked: What is the different between this one with the other Non-Pressurized Portafilter from this size? I want to upgrade my portafilter, but don't know which I should choose. Feb 7, 2014
Bottomless Portafilter 53mm for Saeco and Starbucks Espresso Machines
Bottomless Portafilter 53mm for Saeco and Starbucks Espresso Machines
Non-Pressurized Portafilter Upgrade for Saeco and Starbucks Espresso Machines
Non-Pressurized Portafilter Upgrade for Saeco and Starbucks Espresso Machines
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Teri KStaff: Either the Bottomless Portafilter or the Non Pressurized Portafilter for Saeco 53mm Machines will yield similar results. The differences are that the bottomless allows you to see your extraction better, as the stream of espresso should come from one point in the center and shows that your tamp was even. The downside to the bottomless is that sometimes it can spray a bit and create a little mess, while the spouted version retains overspray. Finally, some argue that the bottomless results in better flavor, as there is less metal for the espresso to travel through. Either version will require a very good quality grinder, fresh beans, and a 53mm tamper. Hope this helps! Feb 7, 2014
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A shopper asked: Is this compatible with Faema Amica 2 by any chance? Thanks! Jan 14, 2014
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Teri KStaff: Unfortunately we do not offer Faema machines and so I am not sure that this portafilter will work with your machine. Generally portafilters are machine and brand specific, and so without giving it a try I can't say for certain that this one will work for you. Sorry I can't be of better assistance! Jan 15, 2014
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Johnnyp asked: Is this compatible with the Breville BES860XL Barista Express? Thanks Dec 27, 2013
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Teri KStaff: No, unfortunatley this Bottomless Portafilter for the Saeco 53mm machines is not compatible with the Breville machines such as the Barista BES860XL. Dec 28, 2013
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Andrian G asked: Hi, does this PF work with Krups XP2010 model?
thanks
May 11, 2013
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Neil S: Hi Andrian,

I am fairly certain that the answer to your question is: no. The bottomless portafilter for the saeco units has two tabs that lock it into place in the brewhead. The Krups unit has three tabs.

Hope this helps.
May 13, 2013
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Caleb W asked: Will this work on the DeLonghi EC 155? Oct 26, 2012
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Teri KStaff: No, unfortunately this portafilter is 53mm and designed to fit the Saeco machines, while the DeLonghi EC155 is 52 mm and would be a different fit. Oct 30, 2012
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Great upgrade

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This bottomless portafilter was essential for me to understand and troubleshoot the espresso brewing process. Combined with the Hario Skeleton manual grinder (adjusted using lock washers to get a usable grind) my espresso is vastly better than using the pressurized portafilter. Plus it's just plain fun to watch what is actually happening. It's so elemental.

I will never voluntarily go back to a pressurized portafilter and I also wouldn't want to use a non-pressurized portafilter with spout(s).

Estro Vapore espresso maker (the Starbucks machine before it was branded as Starbucks). Over 15 years old and still going strong. Rebuilt once using standard online instructions and gasket. Simple and does everything I need. The best single food-related purchase ($250 new) I have ever made in terms of return on investment but not until I started using this bottomless portafilter.

(Posted on 6/2/14)

good upgrade

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I use Saeco Poemia

When I first tried the bottomless portafilter, the shot was extracted way way too fast, even with the super hard tamping. So I needed about 30 minutes to hack my entry level grinder. I am still in the process of varying tamp pressure for my subjective taste preference, but even considering that, I can distinctly notice the better tasting espresso.

If you get used to your machine, and one day you just want better coffee out of your machine with relatively low cost, this is your solution.

(Posted on 3/20/14)

Better espresso, but not for beginners

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The bottomless portafilter is an upgrade over my pressurized one. However, considering I'm a beginner, I wish I would have opted for the standard non-pressurized with the dual spouts. It's a VERY messy process learning to use the bottomless. Bottom line...espresso tastes better but counters get messier.

(Posted on 2/16/14)

Great upgrade for my Via Venezia

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I have waited quite a while to make this upgrade to my Via Venezia and now I regret not doing it sooner! Great build if a little expensive, but so much more satisfying to see your shot come through this rather than the plastic base of the original portafilter.

(Posted on 2/6/14)

noticeably better espresso

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I have the the starbucks barista aka via vanecia and the vario preciso. I took the pressurizing thing out of the original portafilter. So, I was doing pretty decent already...

Compared to that, this bottomless one make noticeably better coffee. Is it way better? No, but it's noticeable. IMO worth the 60 bucks.

(Posted on 4/14/13)

Very Nice upgrade!

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Nice portafilter, well made. Takes a little practice with the grind and tamping. Looks very cool seeing the espresso stream into the cup. Compared with the unpressurized two spout portatfilter, the bottomless one leaks a little water at the bottom of filter but that could be my machine. Otherwise a nice product.

(Posted on 12/9/12)

Exposes Grind Quality

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When I first used this portafilter I had coffee spurting out the sides. I found out this was called channelling caused by a large uneven grind. I purchased the Skeleton grinder:
http://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/hario-skeleton-skerton-coffee-mill
and am now getting much better shots. This is a great tool to learn about making espresso. Search around on the web about using a bottomless or naked portafilter and you'll find ways to look at the shot to help make a better shot.
http://www.ineedcoffee.com/07/naked-portafilter/
I'm still tweaking the shot, but with this portafilter and the Skeleton grinder, I have the tools to improve the espresso.

(Posted on 9/4/12)

Great bottomless portafilter for a cup of good coffee

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Glad that I saw this on you tube, it's worth buying even if I had to pay for expensive shipping to Australia

(Posted on 8/24/12)

Excellent Product

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I have had this since February 2012 and I am very happy with it. The build quality (chromed plated brass) is better than the portafilter that came with the machine in the first place. I have had to seat the portafilter more firmly to prevent water from leaking and it will take some time and patience to adjust to -- but the results have been exceptional.

(Posted on 7/21/12)

A great upgrade

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A definite improvement over the pressurized portafilter.

Pros:
Easy To Clean, Easy To Use

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None

(Posted on 5/28/12)

Should Have Purchased A Long Time Ago

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Previously I used a non-pressurized portafilter for quite some time, but this product really taught me how to make good espresso. Every mistake and achievement can be easily seen. Also it is of better quality then my previous portafilter. If you don't get the tamping correct, the espresso splatters or streams. When you hit it dead on, you know.

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(Posted on 5/15/12)

Best Upgrade For My Machine

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I've had a regular non-pressurized portafilter for a while. Bought the bottomless because I wanted to see the extraction - for training purposes. Not only is the extraction beautiful to watch but now I know when I'm pulling an excellent shot and what to do when I'm dialing in a new coffee.

The only negative is that the machining process has left a fairly sharp edge on the underside and inside the portafilter. Suppose it doesn't matter much because there isn't much cleaning associated with it like a spouted portafilter. Just something to be aware of and why I gave 4 stars instead of 5.

Other than that, I am very pleased with it.

Pros:
Easy To Clean, Easy To Use

Cons:
Machining left sharp edge

(Posted on 5/4/12)

Love this portafilter

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I bought this portafilter to ues with the Saeco Via Venezia. The coffee is so much better with this portafilter. I tried the non-pressurizedand it was o k but the results with the bottomless are unbelievable. Well worth the money.

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Great Taste, Easy To Clean, Easy To Use

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(Posted on 4/3/12)

Unbelievable taste

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So much better than the pressurized portafilter that comes with the machine. I was tired of taking the portafilter apart to clean the gunk buildup. This bottomless is simple to use and once you find the right grind and tamping, it is picture perfect and tastes awesome. Wish I got one of these years ago.

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Easy To Use, Easy To Clean, Great Taste

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None

(Posted on 3/19/12)

Bottomless PF - Great upgrade

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I wanted to jump into the home espresso scene but didnt want to drop 1000.00 for a first attempt. I instead got a used Starbucks Barista for 60.00 but the rapporto filter always kind of left me feeling cheap and dirty :). I saw a youtube video of Kat and Gale with a bottomless so I found it on the site and coudlnt be happier. I have more control over my espresso, can play with my technique, see how the extraction is going, and watch the creme ooze out of my PFilter. Excellent upgrade.

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Good quality, Perfect fit, Easy To Clean, Easy To Use

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(Posted on 3/19/12)

Well built, works flawlessly

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A few years ago I broke the handle off the original pressurized portafilter that came with my Starbucks/Saeco Barista. At that time I rigged up a terribly ghetto solution of a putty knife with a big hole in the middle attached to the old portafilter with all the pressurization stuff removed. It sort of worked, but not enough to keep me using the machine. I waited for this thing to get back in stock for ages and I'm very excited to be making espresso again.

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Easy To Use, Easy To Clean

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(Posted on 3/18/12)

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